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afra/zebra interbreeding
« on: February 03, 2009, 04:12:42 PM »
anyone else have 'em?
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 12:36:22 AM »
I separated mine when the zebras tried it on.
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 11:16:57 AM »
I used to have C.Afra and also Hongi Red top which did try to mix breed.......

which some scientist's state that if then can interbreed with each other than they cannot be classed as a seperate breed. but 1 breed.......but tracey is more up on that sort of thing as i can remember.....

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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 11:27:32 AM »
Many fish that are closely related can interbreed but can still be classified as separate species.  That being said, there have been so many advances in cichlid classification over the last 15 to 20 years, many fish that we believed were separate species are now being shown to be regional variations of the same fish.  Also, some we thought were regional variations are being shown to be different enough to class as separate species.

For example, there is great debate and has been for a few years now regarding Frontosa.  There is a Seven-striped Front that was always considered to be a regional variation, but is now considered by many scientists to have enough differences in scale pattern and other physiological markers to be considered a sub-species of Front. 

If you look back on cichlid species lists from 10 or 20 years ago, or even older, almost all SA/CA cichlids had the family name Cichlasoma.  That name is almost completely gone now, with most cichlids classified into more descriptive and more accurate families.  There is also a lot of family name swapping going on.  Take JD's as an example.  They've been Cichlasoma, Heros and Nandopis recently.... and thats only the ones that I can remember off the top of my head  ;D
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2009, 11:29:32 AM »
thats when my head jst spins with the rift valley lakes........ just so many...... that look the same and yet different..... :D

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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 04:33:55 AM »
Got a female afra( not sure which type ) that DID breed with my orange zebra. Babies are fine, although 24 of them got sucked into the filter when the weed guard fell off and sucked mom up it... she held onto four of them and they are fine.

Not gonna release them into the trade, but the daughters have shown interest in the whole proccess so I'll let them watch 'em. Look alot like the mom, and three of them have ostracized the smallest one.Jerks.
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2009, 05:43:24 AM »
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Not gonna release them into the trade,

That's what I like to hear responsible fish keeping
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2009, 03:15:29 AM »
Howdy folks, long time no post.
After learning the hard way, I now keep 1 "display" tank with an assortment of males only. All of my other tanks are species only. Currently breeding Flavescens, Red Shoulder, Sunshine, C. Afra Blue Reef.
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 07:27:02 AM »
they are very difficult to tell apart.  Some of the Afra's, zebras' and even peacocks look very much alike. and for sure many LFS don't know, they are guessing or selling as was sold to them. I recently got a book published in 1995 I believe (promise to get title and author) with some lovely pics. some of these species look identical to me. 
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 03:45:26 AM »
which comes down to the whole regional differences and also with alot of the malawi fish they look the same in colurs size ect but the difference would be down to scale patterns and slight things like that.....

That is what confuses the hell out of me.,

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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 09:51:29 AM »
Alex in my case it's much worse that confusion. I've got to figure a way to post some pics from the book. My head was spinning. 
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 01:43:07 PM »
I am not sure which flavor of Afra I have, but it is an Afra; asked my fish guy to order me some to choose from and silly me didn't inquire as to what kind. Again, has anyone raised fryie of the two? Mom is back in the 40 with dad, my Calvus and Mr. Frontosa(or Mrs?!?!) and is being chased to live under the filter's out-pour spout :'(. She is aggressive with the babies,(in a seperate 10gal) and I am not sure what to do with her, as my 75 is not yet sealed and approved by the wifey for reintroduction into the house. Got caves and such but no luck. Oh, here's the parents after a breif seperation.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKB9UF1cMSc
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2009, 03:06:32 PM »
Am through with the hybrid babies. Gave to buddy as food for his saltwater fish. Acquiring Hai Reef wild caught group. Mom afra, I believe, is a white top hara.Trading her in for someone new. Here's the dom male of the WC grooup...

... and the sub dom male.
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2009, 08:34:56 PM »
WoW  :o  stunning looking fish, good luck with the new direction  O0
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Re: afra/zebra interbreeding
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2009, 05:09:15 AM »
As Gerry says - Stunners !!
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